So when you become Muslim, you hold your finger up and bear witness. When you take your shahada, it's like raise your right hand if you in court, put your hand on the bible, whatever. ALI: So that's – that logo, it's like, you hold that up, you're bearing witness to the creator.
Z-RO: Yeah, my brother told me that it is. ALI: – and it's very significant to Islam. ALI: I'm sorry to jump to the 1 Deep part. They were just worried about recoups and returns, and that was it. I never thought I'd got a chance to have this opportunity, because of, you know, people I was dealing with. That's the reason I'm here right now, cause that's been the norm, what she said. And ever since I've stepped out on my own, 1 Deep, it's been going a little differently. Like when you're overseeing, you know, you can't blame nobody but yourself in the end if it doesn't go the way you want it to go. It seem like when I do my thing by myself, it gets a little bit more broad spread. Like, everything is centered around me, because I mean, what she was saying – a lot of people just really don't know, and I kinda attribute that to people I was dealing with, musically. Z-RO: 1 Deep Entertainment is what I do my music under, the way of life also. ALI: So, 1 Deep, I have to ask cause I see that. And I'm just really happy that we have a podcast where we can do whatever we want. There's, like, some ways in which I think that people think of you as a special – not like – underground is not the right word, but that not everybody knows about you or is a super-fan, that type of thing. FRANNIE: And there's definitely been some doubt over the years that I would get to talk to whoever I thought was most interesting, as opposed to whoever we thought might get the most views or listens or whatever. FRANNIE: I guess I thought that I would have to go to Texas, first of all. ALI: Why did you think that you would never be able to meet him or speak to him? It's been – I've been listening to you for a very, very long time, and I kind of never thought that I would be able to meet you and speak to you. We're grateful he spent some time with us when he was still in the game, we're so thankful for the music he gave us while he was, and we wish him the best of luck in all his future pursuits. But he also details his frustrations with the industry in our conversation, so his retirement is not a total surprise. We taped this interview before we had any idea Z-Ro would later announce his retirement from music – he's said the album he's releasing on June 30th, No Love Boulevard, will be his last. It's our loss, especially because you can tell here (back then) that he was excited to release new work, and felt like he was sitting on heat.
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